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Adi Da’s rationalizations for “sexual theater” trigger the nausea factor

Posted by Bobby, a psychologist on Nov-19-99

 

Daist wrote:

You seem to think that the bare facts of Adi Da yelling at someone,  having sex with someone, asking two people to have sex, or doing all of the above constitutes some kind of prima facie case of incompetence.

Not true in my case. The bare facts you mention aren't sufficient evidence in themselves for incompetence. But if someone holds himself out as a supremely realized master, and someone else (a devotee) believes that, and the "master" then uses the power of that presumed superiority to make two people have sex who otherwise wouldn't want to, and claims that this is all done in a spirit of service and completely without ego on the "master's" part; AND when the overall picture yielded by looking at all the evidence (NOT taking every allegation as true just for the alleging, but looking for patterns of plausibility) clearly points to gross egotism on the "master's" part (that the master is getting his sexual jollies from this, and is a rather ordinary debauchee with a huge ego and no conscience, rather than the supremely compassionate One), and the "master" says that anyone who questions his egolessness is just projecting their own egoity onto Him, and people are suffering mightily while he profits from their misery...then the nausea factor and the moral outrage factor begins to arise.

Adi Da -- the abuser blames the victim

Posted by Bobby on Nov-5-99

The hallmark of any abusive authority figure is the adamant claim that the abuse is "for your own good" (cf. the excellent book on child abuse by that same title, by Alice Miller). This is what creates the "mindfuck" which creates traumatic bonding and psychopathology. I speak as a psychologist here. If an abusive parent, for example, were to admit that s/he was hitting the child for the parent's own pleasure/release/benefit, the child would have a way of making sense out of it and the psychological trauma would be lessened. but when the parent hits the child and tells the child that it is for the child's own good, then a kind of "Tilt!" reaction goes off in the child's mind, which prevents the child's articulation of his/her natural emotional response to being hit. How can the child be angry at the parent for hitting the child, when the parent has defined the situation as one of benevolence? Then the emotions go underground and create symptoms. The parallels to the Adi Da situation are obvious, I think.

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Posted by Kwaday Dan Sinchi on Nov-5-99 9:44pm

In the situation you describe the criminal guilt of the abuser is transfered to the victim. The "Godman" is Perfect, after all, so when the "Godman" blames his devoted followers for his own stupidity, where do they have to go? All they can do is collapse inside and despise themselves. They accept their abuse as perfectly just and ultimately their own fault! When he has finally destroyed them, he will sit back and laugh and call them assholes, and they will cringe like whipped dogs and praise his great and everlasting power.

Adi Da has nothing to do with spiritual liberation and everything to do with spiritual destruction.

It's a real mess, I tell you, a real mess. From what I've seen the Daists are one of the most psychologically screwed up groups of people to come along.