When I Get Enlightened Can I Fuck Your Daughter?  Reflections on Guru Adi Da’s sex with devotees

Posted by Theos (Stan Arcieri, a psychologist) in 1999 on Lightmind Daism Forum

Why it’s wrong as a rule to fuck your students.

Because we are all Divine no one has any special privileges over anyone else. No one. Have I said it?

Seriously, enlightenment grants no fucking privileges.

When we all maturely recognize each other as spiritual beings such games auto-dissolve.

The belief that the Lord has rights to deflower virgins is a vestige from feudalism.

I explored Adi Da’s scene because he seemed to have understanding and left due to the way he did not live it and what I perceived to be a lack of teaching skill.

John deRuiter says that one can have an awakening but this does not constitute living enlightenment.

To be more precise…. I am a natural observer of the subliminal.

When I visited Adi Da, I noticed he would send town his pussy-poaching posse, Sal Lucania and some others, to suss out the new fresh babes and bring them back to the house. Sounds like a high-school dream-team. Yes, this pussy posse was deputized by Sheriff Da.

I recall seeing an attractive woman (whose husband I had encouraged to come up and visit) I knew who was coming up to Adi Da’s ranch for the first time. Sal was dancing with her and she was doing what she thought was expected, flirting back. Within hours, Sal had whisked her to up to Pussy Central, Adi Da’s place.

Later she became a wife and her husband a happy cuckold who wide-eyed exclaimed that a spiritual blessing had been placed on his head. Lucky fellow?

After she left about 9 years later, I told her how I had noticed her that first night, how she seemed to be selling herself out. She agreed saying she was young and didn’t know better and was doing what she felt was expected…and it was. She didn’t know better. She was young and trusting. Yes, she felt she had been used.

Every therapist knows it is unwise and unhealthy to have sex with your patients. There can be exceptions but as a feudal rule of privilege, complete with pussy posse advance troops, forget it. It can be damaging.

Example, I had a private practice with people for some years. A ripe woman offered herself to me over several sessions. Even though Theos loves intensity, something in him unquestionably knew better. By refusing that invitation, she was able to really trust me and this helped her.

I also worked some with a large group doing non-stop maha-mega-marathon processing. At the end of the evening, some women would ritually make themselves available to the perceived power men, the teachers. We all knew better.

Imagine if we had secret cameras and interns trained to sniff out the fresh babes, like rock stars do, and bring them to us later for bed-time snacking. Would that be alright? If we were "enlightened"?

If some young, impressionable women later complained of psychological abuse, could we blame them saying they were over 18? Could we ethically place all responsibility on their heads?

Again, when people are all-around mature, such games do not go on.

They are not tolerated.

When I get enlightened, can I fuck your daughter?

Is Adi Da the Voyeur not Adi Da the Voyeur? 

Posted by Theos

Yes,   I couldn't help but to respond to a post by SB saying that people just interpret Adi Da’s actions differently but Adi Da is what, selflessly reflecting others? This excuses Adi Da as a participant, as a despotic playboy, as if he wasn’t there.

Several sources agree that Adi Da had a poaching posse. This means that Adi Da viewed incoming female devotees as "stock", sex meat. This is not an interpretation. This was Adi Da’s set-up. It’s a bit of a stretch to say he did this exclusively to selflessly reflect the tendencies of others, Mr. Altruist. Does anyone in their right mind believe that? The man was playing.

It is likewise agreed that Adi Da is a voyeur extraordinary. Are we to believe that his voyeurism is an altruistic reflection of other people’s tendencies? Crazy wisdom? Did he have a community of voyeurs whom he was mirroring since he engaged in ongoing voyeurism?

Ex-wives and insiders state that Adi Da commanded his female devotees to have sex with members of his inside male circle while he watched. Was he exclusively reflecting the tendencies of women, some of whom strongly stated they didn’t want to have sex with his cronies? Was this pure altruism and selfless mirroring?

Was the creation of porno films likewise selfless mirroring including the production of said films? As Adi Da the voyeur watched these films or watched other people having sex, when he commanded women to stimulate him while he watched, was he selflessly serving the world?

The problem with putting everything on other people is that it takes Adi Da off the hook, as if he were an innocent bystander who had nothing to do with the poaching posse, the porn films, the voyeurism or the stimulation he enjoyed while living out his voyeurism.

Surprise Sex Filming by Adi Da

Posted by Theos on Nov-16-99 

Dear G,

I believe some event-dimensions are obvious. One example is that of Adi Da forming a "pussy posse" from his henchmen to canvass and reel in incoming young, attractive females so that he could ply them with alcohol prior to sexually penetrating them.

Here’s some fine tuning: My friend’s wife, a now emotionally mature person, when much younger and naive, was ordered by Adi Da to have sex with a popular insider - someone she was not fond of.  She protested strongly while, yes, shaking in a chair.  Adi Da shouted her down.  She finally went downstairs to have sex with Insider(name withheld to protect her identity). While being fucked she noticed, to her added horror, she was being video-taped from the sidelines. After a while, Adi Da comes into the room and starts screaming at her, calling her a "whore."  She related to me that she was naked, humiliated and vulnerable.

G, is that love? There’s even more details but do we need them? Can we call that "friendly" or having sex with "friends?"

Adi Da the Sadist

by Theos

.... One "ex-wife" said that Adi Da was a Sadist. His way of working with someone was to find their weak point and rub salt in it. He seemed to enjoy getting a reaction.

She recalled another "ex-wife", K. She and the other "wives" were planning to go to Hawaii with Adi Da. It was known that Adi Da had herpes and that he gave it to K. When it was discovered that she had herpes, Adi Da told her she could not come with the group...because she had herpes.

This example was given not to point out the worst he has done but to indicate how he toyed with people. The "ex-wife" said that Adi Da reveled in Sadism, in making fun of people, in humiliating people in general.

I have heard this kind of story many times.

It is a fact that some of his intimates left because they noticed his humiliation of others.

Skillful means are entirely lacking in the way Adi Da "dealt with" that women’s history of abuse, more over the crude encounter-style method of dealing with her was not "what she asked for" in placing her trust in a person who claims to be greater than Jesus Christ and the Buddha.

Perhaps more "ex-wives" will come forth and offer more details. Another "ex-wife" I spoke with said that Adi Da constantly tried to humiliate her and break her down in a sadistic fashion. While she reacted to him, she never gave in. And this caused more and more attacks from him.

One way that the inferior male psyche tries to relate with women is to find a weak spot, work it, and so gain control of her psyche.

All that is manipulation not relationship. Add sadism to that and spell it "Adi Da".